In this crossover episode with the UK Psych Health and Safety Podcast, co-host Joelle Mitchell chats with Peter Kelly and Sheila Lord about ISO 45003, the pitfalls of individual coping focused psych health and safety strategies, the importance of upskilling leaders to be able to respond to psych health and safety concerns with empathy and compassion, and ensuring that there are appropriate organisational systems and mechanisms in place to support leaders in doing so.